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		By: bob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2015 04:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the typos lol]]></description>
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		By: bob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2015 04:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The love that the Lord teaches each an every one of us made for all mankind. Man is made in Gods image and all feelings we endure are from him.  Loving someone else of the same sex and wanting to be in communion with the Lord and dedicate their lives to his name, worship him, love him above all others, and wanting to raise a child under the Lord deserve the respecg and honor of dedicating their lives to God. Orthodox hierarchs position on the new law is stained and are forgetting the true meankng of marriage. We as orthodox christians should be taking the lead on this matter to fight for a change in the doctrines. Christ is in our midsts, he is and alwahs shall be!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The love that the Lord teaches each an every one of us made for all mankind. Man is made in Gods image and all feelings we endure are from him.  Loving someone else of the same sex and wanting to be in communion with the Lord and dedicate their lives to his name, worship him, love him above all others, and wanting to raise a child under the Lord deserve the respecg and honor of dedicating their lives to God. Orthodox hierarchs position on the new law is stained and are forgetting the true meankng of marriage. We as orthodox christians should be taking the lead on this matter to fight for a change in the doctrines. Christ is in our midsts, he is and alwahs shall be!</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2015 06:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After a good deal of searching, I found the talk I was thinking of in a previous post. It wasn&#039;t by Fr. Thomas Hopko, as I&#039;d thought, but by Metropolitan Kallistos Ware. It&#039;s housed on the Ancient Faith Radio site under the title &quot;Metropolitan Kallistos Ware on Gender Issues in the Church&quot;. Link: http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/illuminedheart/metropolitan_kallistos_ware_on_gender]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a good deal of searching, I found the talk I was thinking of in a previous post. It wasn&#8217;t by Fr. Thomas Hopko, as I&#8217;d thought, but by Metropolitan Kallistos Ware. It&#8217;s housed on the Ancient Faith Radio site under the title &#8220;Metropolitan Kallistos Ware on Gender Issues in the Church&#8221;. Link: <a href="http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/illuminedheart/metropolitan_kallistos_ware_on_gender" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/illuminedheart/metropolitan_kallistos_ware_on_gender</a></p>
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		By: andre		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/a-priest-who-gets-it-but-as-a-voice-crying-in-the-wilderness#comment-37231</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2015 01:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/a-priest-who-gets-it-but-as-a-voice-crying-in-the-wilderness#comment-37208&quot;&gt;James&lt;/a&gt;.

James,
Thank you for your email and support.  While I think Father Hopko is an excellent priest and writer, I have significant differences with him on the issue of homosexuality and same-sex marriage. An asexual marriage is not the heterosexual norm and should not be used as a requirement for the LGBT community. While some marriages are asexual, for various reasons, that is not something that is required at all by the Church. One can find this simply by reading the service of crowning. 
You may want to read my review of Father Hopko&#039;s book, published on my website.  There are also interesting comments from Archbishop Lazar.
http://www.orthodoxandgay.com/dueling-theologians-dueling-graces]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/a-priest-who-gets-it-but-as-a-voice-crying-in-the-wilderness#comment-37208">James</a>.</p>
<p>James,<br />
Thank you for your email and support.  While I think Father Hopko is an excellent priest and writer, I have significant differences with him on the issue of homosexuality and same-sex marriage. An asexual marriage is not the heterosexual norm and should not be used as a requirement for the LGBT community. While some marriages are asexual, for various reasons, that is not something that is required at all by the Church. One can find this simply by reading the service of crowning.<br />
You may want to read my review of Father Hopko&#8217;s book, published on my website.  There are also interesting comments from Archbishop Lazar.<br />
<a href="http://www.orthodoxandgay.com/dueling-theologians-dueling-graces" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.orthodoxandgay.com/dueling-theologians-dueling-graces</a></p>
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		By: James		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/a-priest-who-gets-it-but-as-a-voice-crying-in-the-wilderness#comment-37208</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The priest I&#039;ve been talking with suggested I listen to a brief podcast by Fr. Thomas Hopko. In the podcast, Fr. Thomas suggested points from which discussion of women in the priesthood and same-sex marriage might proceed as these are  topical issues. (This was not one of those where Hopko suggests &#039;reparative therapy&#039; to &#039;cure the gay&#039;.) Unfortunately, I wasn&#039;t able to relocate the podcast though I did look through the Ancient Faith Radio archive this morning since I think that&#039;s where I listened to it.

If I remember correctly, what was suggested was the possibility of loving but asexual same-sex partnerships, This strikes me as a good compromise position to start a discussion from, but one that will no doubt leave most on either side of the &#039;gay marriage&#039; issue unsatisfied. (And also one which ignores the question of what does and does not constitute &#039;sexual activity&#039; in a relationship.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The priest I&#8217;ve been talking with suggested I listen to a brief podcast by Fr. Thomas Hopko. In the podcast, Fr. Thomas suggested points from which discussion of women in the priesthood and same-sex marriage might proceed as these are  topical issues. (This was not one of those where Hopko suggests &#8216;reparative therapy&#8217; to &#8216;cure the gay&#8217;.) Unfortunately, I wasn&#8217;t able to relocate the podcast though I did look through the Ancient Faith Radio archive this morning since I think that&#8217;s where I listened to it.</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, what was suggested was the possibility of loving but asexual same-sex partnerships, This strikes me as a good compromise position to start a discussion from, but one that will no doubt leave most on either side of the &#8216;gay marriage&#8217; issue unsatisfied. (And also one which ignores the question of what does and does not constitute &#8216;sexual activity&#8217; in a relationship.)</p>
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		By: andre		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/a-priest-who-gets-it-but-as-a-voice-crying-in-the-wilderness#comment-37159</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/a-priest-who-gets-it-but-as-a-voice-crying-in-the-wilderness#comment-36931&quot;&gt;James&lt;/a&gt;.

James,

Thank you for your comment and support of this website. Your line to the priest about the Church being better at looking at ancient documents that looking at people, may be all too true. The Orthodox Church, has through the gift of the Holy Spirit, been able to keep the message of Jesus Christ alive in the beauty of His Church. It has had more difficulties dealing with the realities of life: communism, social inequality, sexuality etc. 

I agree with you that there are many priests like Father Robert.  If the email that this website receives is any indication, there are indeed quite a few, at least in the US and Canada. Prayers for their health are indeed warranted. 

You are very lucky indeed that your priest is supportive.  Can you please share the document that he sent you to?

Please stay in touch.
I bid you peace,
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/a-priest-who-gets-it-but-as-a-voice-crying-in-the-wilderness#comment-36931">James</a>.</p>
<p>James,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment and support of this website. Your line to the priest about the Church being better at looking at ancient documents that looking at people, may be all too true. The Orthodox Church, has through the gift of the Holy Spirit, been able to keep the message of Jesus Christ alive in the beauty of His Church. It has had more difficulties dealing with the realities of life: communism, social inequality, sexuality etc. </p>
<p>I agree with you that there are many priests like Father Robert.  If the email that this website receives is any indication, there are indeed quite a few, at least in the US and Canada. Prayers for their health are indeed warranted. </p>
<p>You are very lucky indeed that your priest is supportive.  Can you please share the document that he sent you to?</p>
<p>Please stay in touch.<br />
I bid you peace,<br />
Andriy</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2015 09:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As I said to the very accepting priest who teaches the catechumen course I&#039;m attending, &quot;On the subject of sexuality, the Church is better at studying ancient documents than at looking at the people in front of them.&quot; 

My guess is that there are probably many priests like Fr. Robert whose hands are tied by official church dogma. No doubt we gay/lesbian church attenders can support them by being as open as we comfortably can and by keeping them in our prayers. 

Of course this is easy for me to say since I live in a country where the Orthodox Church is quite liberal by world standards--scandalously so, to judge from some of the writings of conservative Orthodox bloggers . The priest I&#039;ve been seeing sent me to what I know to be the most accepting Orthodox web document on homosexuality rather than any of the more strident pronouncements. And I have seen with my own eyes that no one is being denied communion simply because they have entered a same-sex civil union. I realize that not everyone who reads this blog is so fortunately located.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said to the very accepting priest who teaches the catechumen course I&#8217;m attending, &#8220;On the subject of sexuality, the Church is better at studying ancient documents than at looking at the people in front of them.&#8221; </p>
<p>My guess is that there are probably many priests like Fr. Robert whose hands are tied by official church dogma. No doubt we gay/lesbian church attenders can support them by being as open as we comfortably can and by keeping them in our prayers. </p>
<p>Of course this is easy for me to say since I live in a country where the Orthodox Church is quite liberal by world standards&#8211;scandalously so, to judge from some of the writings of conservative Orthodox bloggers . The priest I&#8217;ve been seeing sent me to what I know to be the most accepting Orthodox web document on homosexuality rather than any of the more strident pronouncements. And I have seen with my own eyes that no one is being denied communion simply because they have entered a same-sex civil union. I realize that not everyone who reads this blog is so fortunately located.</p>
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