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		By: andre		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-81034</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-80980&quot;&gt;Niomi&lt;/a&gt;.

Niomi,
Thank you for your kind comment, words of support and interest in this website. Please stay in touch.
I bid you peace,
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-80980">Niomi</a>.</p>
<p>Niomi,<br />
Thank you for your kind comment, words of support and interest in this website. Please stay in touch.<br />
I bid you peace,<br />
Andriy</p>
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		By: Niomi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2018 03:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[God bless you and your struggle. I just recently came out as MTF transgendered and am by the grace of God making it work. Im praying for you both, and from one girl to two others. please also pray for me, that God would help us to shine as the women we were born as, however in a male body. As I said in one of my comments on the facebook page. If there can be females born with male anatomy, males born with female anatomy, and males and females born with both genders, then certainly a female or male can be born into a completely male or female body. I think science is starting to proof and back this up too. Love and prayers, keep struggling!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless you and your struggle. I just recently came out as MTF transgendered and am by the grace of God making it work. Im praying for you both, and from one girl to two others. please also pray for me, that God would help us to shine as the women we were born as, however in a male body. As I said in one of my comments on the facebook page. If there can be females born with male anatomy, males born with female anatomy, and males and females born with both genders, then certainly a female or male can be born into a completely male or female body. I think science is starting to proof and back this up too. Love and prayers, keep struggling!</p>
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		By: Bobby		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-62876</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2016 23:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andre,
Having been a priest in your past, you know better that not all priests can confess. You also know better that the Mystery of Confession is, in fact, literally a Mystery: the same priest, hearing the confession of  the same person, for the same sin, will react differently at a different status of the confessing person&#039;s heart. 
Reading through the lines, this subtle degradation of the Mystery of Confession and the Charisma of Priesthood is very disappointing. Every supporter of the Handmaid&#039;s eloquent FICTION feels like they own the truth, so &quot;woe&quot; to everyone who disagrees. &quot;Shame on priests&quot;, &quot;shame on the church&quot;, &quot;shame on anyone who disagrees&quot;. 

This is how heresies start, Andre. Our church is not the Republic of Gilead.
Bobby]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andre,<br />
Having been a priest in your past, you know better that not all priests can confess. You also know better that the Mystery of Confession is, in fact, literally a Mystery: the same priest, hearing the confession of  the same person, for the same sin, will react differently at a different status of the confessing person&#8217;s heart.<br />
Reading through the lines, this subtle degradation of the Mystery of Confession and the Charisma of Priesthood is very disappointing. Every supporter of the Handmaid&#8217;s eloquent FICTION feels like they own the truth, so &#8220;woe&#8221; to everyone who disagrees. &#8220;Shame on priests&#8221;, &#8220;shame on the church&#8221;, &#8220;shame on anyone who disagrees&#8221;. </p>
<p>This is how heresies start, Andre. Our church is not the Republic of Gilead.<br />
Bobby</p>
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		By: andre		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-62619</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-62238&quot;&gt;Bobby&lt;/a&gt;.

Bob,
I am amazed at your deep interest in these subjects. Thank you.  You have prejudged my comment, so I will only say that as Christians we should have compassion and understand that not everyone is on our timeline.  If you are a Christian who confesses, you perhaps have experienced times when you did not experience the same confession with different priests. It is in my opinion unfortunate that in the contemporary Orthodox Church, every parish priest is authorized to hear confessions, a major departure from the early Church, even up until the last century, when only certain priests were authorized to hear confessions, and even fewer referred to as spiritual fathers or elders (starets or geron). 
Concerning your comment/question about people calling me Father. As my full story is given on the website, I see no reason to repeat it here. I never sign any email or comment with Father, but only with Andriy. I left the active priesthood of my own accord. Although the bishops of my diocese never issued an official document about my status, I can only conclude with the very real truth that the Holy Spirit blows where it will. I do not serve as a priest or refer to myself as a priest, if the grace of ordination was removed from me by God, then I accept His will and action.
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-62238">Bobby</a>.</p>
<p>Bob,<br />
I am amazed at your deep interest in these subjects. Thank you.  You have prejudged my comment, so I will only say that as Christians we should have compassion and understand that not everyone is on our timeline.  If you are a Christian who confesses, you perhaps have experienced times when you did not experience the same confession with different priests. It is in my opinion unfortunate that in the contemporary Orthodox Church, every parish priest is authorized to hear confessions, a major departure from the early Church, even up until the last century, when only certain priests were authorized to hear confessions, and even fewer referred to as spiritual fathers or elders (starets or geron).<br />
Concerning your comment/question about people calling me Father. As my full story is given on the website, I see no reason to repeat it here. I never sign any email or comment with Father, but only with Andriy. I left the active priesthood of my own accord. Although the bishops of my diocese never issued an official document about my status, I can only conclude with the very real truth that the Holy Spirit blows where it will. I do not serve as a priest or refer to myself as a priest, if the grace of ordination was removed from me by God, then I accept His will and action.<br />
Andriy</p>
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		By: Bobby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2016 12:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice and eloquent narration. Yet the story parts don&#039;t seem to fit.

The writer suggests that they are active members of the Church. And they follow a spiritual life with their Father. (&quot;our church&quot;..., &quot;our priest&quot;... &quot;Orthodox Christianity is our faith&quot;...&quot;If you are an Orthodox Christian, you are familiar with the four prayers of exorcism&quot;).
So presumable they also live like who they say they are. So far, so good.

How come they never confessed in the past?
How come none of the couple ever told their priest about their problems? 
How come for eight months after coming out they hadn&#039;t told their priest?
Who would honestly call that a living relationship with &quot;our church&quot; and &quot; our priest&quot;?!

The writer actually says that their followed their own will, their own choice. Then they announced it, expecting that the Church should bend over to their own personal choices. Well, the prayer goes &quot;THY Will be done&quot;, not &quot;MY Will&quot;. It&#039;s the exact opposite.

Now, the writer feels shocked, taken by surprise and disappointed. Well, that sounds a bit hypocritical. Nice story, won&#039;t buy it though.


Knowing that Andre will reply in full disagreement, I have a question to Andre that needs to be clarified first: 
Andre, some people call you &quot;Fr.&quot; in this context, and you thank them for their supportive comments. Do you consider yourself a &quot;Father&quot; or not? (That should be an easy &quot;Yes&quot; or &quot;No&quot;, correct?)

Bobby]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice and eloquent narration. Yet the story parts don&#8217;t seem to fit.</p>
<p>The writer suggests that they are active members of the Church. And they follow a spiritual life with their Father. (&#8220;our church&#8221;&#8230;, &#8220;our priest&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;Orthodox Christianity is our faith&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;If you are an Orthodox Christian, you are familiar with the four prayers of exorcism&#8221;).<br />
So presumable they also live like who they say they are. So far, so good.</p>
<p>How come they never confessed in the past?<br />
How come none of the couple ever told their priest about their problems?<br />
How come for eight months after coming out they hadn&#8217;t told their priest?<br />
Who would honestly call that a living relationship with &#8220;our church&#8221; and &#8221; our priest&#8221;?!</p>
<p>The writer actually says that their followed their own will, their own choice. Then they announced it, expecting that the Church should bend over to their own personal choices. Well, the prayer goes &#8220;THY Will be done&#8221;, not &#8220;MY Will&#8221;. It&#8217;s the exact opposite.</p>
<p>Now, the writer feels shocked, taken by surprise and disappointed. Well, that sounds a bit hypocritical. Nice story, won&#8217;t buy it though.</p>
<p>Knowing that Andre will reply in full disagreement, I have a question to Andre that needs to be clarified first:<br />
Andre, some people call you &#8220;Fr.&#8221; in this context, and you thank them for their supportive comments. Do you consider yourself a &#8220;Father&#8221; or not? (That should be an easy &#8220;Yes&#8221; or &#8220;No&#8221;, correct?)</p>
<p>Bobby</p>
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		By: andre		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 14:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-56987&quot;&gt;Bob&lt;/a&gt;.

Bob,
I have never met a gay man who has said that being gay is a choice.  Your statement is absurd on its face. Please provide the source of your statement. 
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-56987">Bob</a>.</p>
<p>Bob,<br />
I have never met a gay man who has said that being gay is a choice.  Your statement is absurd on its face. Please provide the source of your statement.<br />
Andriy</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2016 19:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have gay friends and they say being gay is a choice.  Other than that, I have experience attractions to to people which are impulses that come from I don&#039;t know where.   They come from me being a sinner, a wrong thought, which may seem like I don&#039;t have a choice but I do. So God help us all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have gay friends and they say being gay is a choice.  Other than that, I have experience attractions to to people which are impulses that come from I don&#8217;t know where.   They come from me being a sinner, a wrong thought, which may seem like I don&#8217;t have a choice but I do. So God help us all.</p>
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		By: andre		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-45768</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-45755&quot;&gt;Mic&lt;/a&gt;.

Mic,
God made homosexuals. We are created in His image. We did not choose to be gay, anymore that you chose to be heterosexual. It is not a choice.
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-45755">Mic</a>.</p>
<p>Mic,<br />
God made homosexuals. We are created in His image. We did not choose to be gay, anymore that you chose to be heterosexual. It is not a choice.<br />
Andriy</p>
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		By: Mic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2016 06:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am confused by this. What is wrong with what the priest did? Is not homosexuality an obvious sin in the Orthodox Church?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused by this. What is wrong with what the priest did? Is not homosexuality an obvious sin in the Orthodox Church?</p>
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		By: andre		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-44474</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-44472&quot;&gt;Marika&lt;/a&gt;.

Marika,
Thank you for your supportive comment. Some in the Orthodox Church are a bit afraid of science and its implications for dated interpretations of the world and people. I will make sure that the couple receive your words of support.
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/coming-out-to-our-orthodox-priest#comment-44472">Marika</a>.</p>
<p>Marika,<br />
Thank you for your supportive comment. Some in the Orthodox Church are a bit afraid of science and its implications for dated interpretations of the world and people. I will make sure that the couple receive your words of support.<br />
Andriy</p>
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