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    Jake
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    Im not Christian, I support gay rights but according to your religion, homosexuality is a sin. Leviticus 18:22 and a few passages later, it says that it is an abomination for a man to lie down with another man. The Epistle of Pauls in Romans says they committed shameful acts with people of the same-sex, and in another of Paul’s Epistle in Corinthians says that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Jesus says in the Bible “For this reason, a man shall leave his family and marry his wife.” The Ecumenical Patriarch calls it sinful, the pope calls it sinful. John of Chrysostom says that gays are worse than murderers.

    My question to you is why do you follow a religion that hates you? Your church says being gay is a sin yet you follow a religion that condemns you. Why not leave it? Theyre never going to accept you. I have gay friends who are Christians who have trouble accepting their orientation because theyre afraid they will go to hell for being gay and for having gay relationships. It’s so sad seeing my friends break down all because they believe that a god hates them. Im just trying to understand this, I’m really sorry if I sound rude but I dont mean to be.

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    Maria
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    Hi Jake,
    I don’t have the time for a full answer right now, so I’ll just quickly provide a resource for you to have a look at. What the Bible does (or doesn’t) say about homosexuality is not a black or white issue. Here’s a link to a quick overview of the biblical texts you mentioned: http://gaychristian.tumblr.com/clobberpassages

    Take care,
    Maria

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    James
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    Hi Jake,

    Thank you for your question. It’s one I’ve asked myself as well. Let me add that mentioning how uncomfortable your gay Christian friends feel shows your deep care and concern for them.

    To move toward answering your question, it’s almost impossible to say anything that would apply to all Christian denominations to say nothing of to all who call themselves Christians. Perhaps your Christian friends would feel more comfortable with themselves and their congregation if they joined one of the more LGBT-friendly denominations.

    Sadly, since it has so much to offer in other areas, the Orthodox church is not generally considered LGBT-friendly; though homosexual orientation is not viewed as a sin, acting on it is. But even here there are individual parishioners, priests and even bishops who are supportive of openly LGBT people in the congregation, even of those of us living with a partner.

    Still, this does not address your question of why any GLBT person would remain in the church. My answer to that question has three parts: 1) Although Christian theologies—in my opinion—completely misunderstand human sex and sexuality (there are, after all, intersexed people though they are not ‘seen’ by most churches), Christianity has a great deal to teach about human relationships, both societal and romantic. 2) If we LGBT people who lead quiet and, to the best of our abilities, Christ-centred lives withdraw our participation form church life, there will be no one visible to non-LGBT church members who can counteract the hedonistic/pornographic image of LGBT life so visible in the media and trumpeted by the homophobes in society (including those who call themselves Christians). 3) The official/canonical position of the Orthodox church on homosexuality put forward by authorities such as John Chrysostom, whom you mention, and certain passages in the Bible are coming more and more to be seen as in opposition to Christ’s teaching of universal love. Openly LGBT people within the church may well be the prick of conscience needed to transform it.

    Wishing all the best for you and the friends for whom you show concern,
    James

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    Elena
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    That is a Very good question! I was baptized in the Russian Orthodox Church. I see it as my birth right to be a part of this church, regardless of my being gay. I have not been in this church for about 30 years, I’ve been with my wife for about 17 years. I know in my heart, I am still a part of the church. I do long to return but, I understand I can’t have my wife and my church. I have considered just going to the Anglican/Episcopal church, they are similar yet still accept gay couples. It breaks my heart that I can not return to my own church. I love the beauty of the church; I love the beauty of divine liturgy; I love the sacraments like communion. I would gladly return to the church but, I will not give up my wife. I would have to deceive the priest and the congregation if I wanted to be a member and I can not do that. So, that is my dilemma – right now, I have no church and I do wish I did. I am a Christian, orthodox Christian without a church and it breaks my heart. I truly wish I could return.

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    Joe
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    I have been asked this question before, and it’s a tough one for me to answer… Although I believe that I can’t change my orientation, and that I was probably “born gay”, I was a Christian long before I even knew I was gay. I never questioned The Church’s teachings regarding homosexuality because I expected to grow up to be straight. I thought I was straight, because I wanted to be, and since I believed homosexuality to be a deliberate choice, I figured I was “normal” simply by virtue of wanting to be in accordance with God’s law. I was not tempted by demons to become gay; it was a great source of suffering when I discovered that I liked other guys. I became bitter, alcoholic, depressed, self-destructive, and worst of all, close to apostacy! I only returned to Christ after getting a musician job at a Lutheran Church where I confessed and received Holy Communion, beginning my attempt to return to Our Lord. My spirituality is more important to me then my sexuality, I don’t feel like I should stop following Christ just because of my sexual preferences. I feel like the more I worry about it, the further I get from Christ, and I want to be closer to Christ. If homosexuality is a sin, it’s certainly not the only sin I’ve ever committed, so I need Christ no more or less than anyone. Sadly, the gay issue is the ONLY thing keeping me from joining the orthodox faith.

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    Joe
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    Let me correct myself… I wrote “sexual preference”… Homosexuality is NOT my preference anymore than having blue eyes is my preference.

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