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    Joe
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    I accidentally put my last thingy (“thingy” here = a computer word that Joe doesn’t know) on the wrong thingy… It’s right below the thingy from Marie on the thingy that’s on the screen before this thingy. Please share your thoughts with me on this topic through the vehicle of this thingy that I’m making my words go onto right now. God bless and keep you… Thank you šŸ™‚

    #1583 Reply
    Joe
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    Sorry for the ambiguity… I obviously need to learn more vocabulary if I’m gonna try to be a computer guy.

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    Maria
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    I saw the post you mean šŸ™‚

    I agree homosexual sounds clinical, but I don’t like “experience same-sex attraction” either because it sounds “abnormal” or like a disease or something (and it’s always the term homophobes use to try and disconnect our sexuality from part of who we are). But I digress!

    I like the idea of a “gay community” insofar as we have one of this website – people who understand our struggles and can talk/share support and experiences. Unfortunately, the common image the term “gay community” seems to conjure up is not very flattering and stereotypical and I don’t think it reflects the reality of many of our lives… Also, I’ve found many people in the “gay community” have a strong dislike for religion (understandibly I suppose, though…) so it’s hard to fit in anywhere as a gay Christian.
    It’s interesting what you said about lesbians though.. I (as a lesbian) have experienced misogyny from gay men!

    Anyway, just some thoughts šŸ™‚ Hope it answers your questions.

    #1592 Reply
    Joe
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    Thanks Maria! All very good points… Misogyny (and “misandry”, if that’s even a word) is an ugly thing in any community… I personally am a feminist (by the dictionary definition at least, not the opposite of chauvinist, which is totally different). As far as communities are concerned, I am reminded of a Kurt Vonnegut novel called “Cat’s Cradle” in which the topic of artificial or imagined communities is a central theme; the idea is that many people are under false impressions as to “where they belong”. šŸ™‚

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    Joe
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    Feminism = “female humans are equal in worth as are male humans.. Not lower, not higher.” (Very Christian way of thinking… Where would we be without Her, Theotokos, the best lady ever? We’d have no Christ! Without Him, she couldn’t be Theotokos, right? Also, it was given to the girls to discover the empty tomb and first proclaim the resurrection, not the boys)
    Chauvinism = “males are inherently better than females, and females should be subordinate to males” (a very wrong and un-Christlike approach to the subject of gender).

    #1598 Reply
    Joe
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    At least that’s how I understand those “-isms”… I am not an expert. Anyway, I know (from all your well-thought-out and loving responses to my posts) that you are not the type of person who would treat me and my husband like we had the plague; even if we actually had the plague, I get the feeling that you would not shun us; you’d probably even help us (especially spiritually) at your own risk, cause that’s what Christian sisters do… I think of you as my Christian sister first… “Lesbian” is much much further down on my list of things to think about. Thank you for all your kind words and prayers on our behalf… A blessed season of renewal to you and yours! šŸ˜€

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    Joe
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    BTW, isn’t it cool how Orthodoxy is not an “-ism”? (There is no “orthodoxism”, right?) Alleuia!

    #1603 Reply
    Maria
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    Haha, no problem šŸ™‚
    My best friend is a gay man, so I definitely meant what I said in a general way (about misogyny) and definitely would not treat you (or anyone else!) like you had the plague.

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