Comments on: Judge Not! https://orthodoxandgay.com/judge-not Orthodox and gay Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:58:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: andre https://orthodoxandgay.com/judge-not#comment-32958 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:58:23 +0000 http://www.orthodoxandgay.com/?p=878#comment-32958 In reply to Noel Warren.

Noel,

Thank you for your comments. Considering the exact definition of sodomy, do you believe that a heterosexual couple that practices sodomy is also committing a sin? I simply refuse to believe that St. Paul was taking about specific sexual acts. You ask what else Paul got wrong? What about his comments on how shameful it is for women to cut their hair (I Corinthians 11) or for a man to have long hair. Where are the preachers today recommending hair styles and hair lengths to Christians? Anyone preach with scissors? When two people of the same sex are in a loving relationship and choose to express that love sexually, it is blessed by God. He made us LGBT and also gave us the capacity to love and be loved and that includes expressing it in a sexual way. Depending on your definition of apostasy, many saints of the Church would be considered apostates and although I do not consider myself an apostate, if I am, I am in good company. I am an Orthodox Christian.
Andriy

]]> By: Noel Warren https://orthodoxandgay.com/judge-not#comment-32954 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:43:19 +0000 http://www.orthodoxandgay.com/?p=878#comment-32954 Thank you Andre. I have just reread the references to sodomy in St Paul’s letters. Depite recent attempts to take into account the culltural context , translation and the intepretation that Paul is refering to sex outside a loving union and not specifically agaist sodomy, I would have to say the letters are quite clear. Sodomy is sinful. You and me are forgiven but we must go and sin no more. The question for me is, did Paul get it wrong and, if so, what else did he get wrong? Obviously he got it wrong about women too. If the Church considers Paul’s letters as the Will of God then they are not going to change. They cannot.
The Old Testament laws against sodomy can be disregarded because Jesus brought a new dispensation and the Church believes the choices it has made about which laws to continiue to apply and which not to have been guided by the Holy Spirit. It maintained the law forbidding sodomy. I do not think we stand much of a chance with the Church. We have to seek Jesus in a different way. Apostates as we are!! Noel.

]]> By: andre https://orthodoxandgay.com/judge-not#comment-32953 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:10:18 +0000 http://www.orthodoxandgay.com/?p=878#comment-32953 In reply to Rachel.

Thank you Rachel for your comment and support.

]]> By: Rachel https://orthodoxandgay.com/judge-not#comment-32952 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:46:07 +0000 http://www.orthodoxandgay.com/?p=878#comment-32952 Thank you for this, it’s beautiful. And so true.

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