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		By: andre		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/we-have-no-right-to-humble-and-victimize-the-image-of-god#comment-83157</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 21:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/we-have-no-right-to-humble-and-victimize-the-image-of-god#comment-81997&quot;&gt;Michael Jovanovich&lt;/a&gt;.

Mr. Jovanovich,

How is living the life that God created for me, promotion of homosexuality? To equate the marriage between two consenting adults in a loving, long term relationship, with bestiality, is absurd, disgusting and disrespectful.
I pray that the Lord will grant you love in your heart and the ability to see His creation in all people.
I bid you peace,
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/we-have-no-right-to-humble-and-victimize-the-image-of-god#comment-81997">Michael Jovanovich</a>.</p>
<p>Mr. Jovanovich,</p>
<p>How is living the life that God created for me, promotion of homosexuality? To equate the marriage between two consenting adults in a loving, long term relationship, with bestiality, is absurd, disgusting and disrespectful.<br />
I pray that the Lord will grant you love in your heart and the ability to see His creation in all people.<br />
I bid you peace,<br />
Andriy</p>
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		By: Michael Jovanovich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Jovanovich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2018 05:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sad to see the promotion of homosexuality by Westernized cradle Orthodox and Convert Infiltrators with their Gay Agenda.  Will have to use great discretion when visiting and praying in Orthodox Churches.  Hopefully, I will not have to leave the Orthodox Church and pray on my own in the real Orthodox manner in which I was taught.  What will be next?  Perhaps marriage between humans and dogs?  Will we be told that dogs are God&#039;s creatures, too, that deserve love and respect?  Will some philosophical explanation in the method of Sartre or Heidegger be given to us to convince us?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to see the promotion of homosexuality by Westernized cradle Orthodox and Convert Infiltrators with their Gay Agenda.  Will have to use great discretion when visiting and praying in Orthodox Churches.  Hopefully, I will not have to leave the Orthodox Church and pray on my own in the real Orthodox manner in which I was taught.  What will be next?  Perhaps marriage between humans and dogs?  Will we be told that dogs are God&#8217;s creatures, too, that deserve love and respect?  Will some philosophical explanation in the method of Sartre or Heidegger be given to us to convince us?</p>
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		By: andre		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/we-have-no-right-to-humble-and-victimize-the-image-of-god#comment-76570</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2017 18:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/we-have-no-right-to-humble-and-victimize-the-image-of-god#comment-76247&quot;&gt;Pillar of Orthodoxy&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear &quot;Pillar of Orthodoxy&quot; 
Thank you for your comment, although I do believe that some of your ideas are flawed. Allow me to address only a few of them. How is being GLBT sinful other than the understanding that all people are born in sin?  If God created us and gave us our sexual orientation, that in itself can not be sinful for gay people any more than God creating you as a heterosexual attracted to the opposite sex. he created me as a gay man with an orientation to other adult males. I did not choose this anymore than I chose my hair color or being right handed.
Second, the Church has changed numerous times over the centuries. For example, the marriage of bishops, the calendar, the making of the sign of the cross, marriage rules (Orthodox marrying baptized, non-Orthodox) to name only a few. The Church is not blind to science and scholarship, (also creations of God) as well as geographical, political, and sociological changes, and so She has adapted and changed. 
 
Finally concerning the issue of sodomy, I would love to find a priest who preaches against sodomy for married couples. Where is he? This is rouse brought out only to throw stones as LGBT individuals - well gay men at least.

I do wish and pray for an increase in your understanding and compassion.
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/we-have-no-right-to-humble-and-victimize-the-image-of-god#comment-76247">Pillar of Orthodoxy</a>.</p>
<p>Dear &#8220;Pillar of Orthodoxy&#8221;<br />
Thank you for your comment, although I do believe that some of your ideas are flawed. Allow me to address only a few of them. How is being GLBT sinful other than the understanding that all people are born in sin?  If God created us and gave us our sexual orientation, that in itself can not be sinful for gay people any more than God creating you as a heterosexual attracted to the opposite sex. he created me as a gay man with an orientation to other adult males. I did not choose this anymore than I chose my hair color or being right handed.<br />
Second, the Church has changed numerous times over the centuries. For example, the marriage of bishops, the calendar, the making of the sign of the cross, marriage rules (Orthodox marrying baptized, non-Orthodox) to name only a few. The Church is not blind to science and scholarship, (also creations of God) as well as geographical, political, and sociological changes, and so She has adapted and changed. </p>
<p>Finally concerning the issue of sodomy, I would love to find a priest who preaches against sodomy for married couples. Where is he? This is rouse brought out only to throw stones as LGBT individuals &#8211; well gay men at least.</p>
<p>I do wish and pray for an increase in your understanding and compassion.<br />
Andriy</p>
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		By: Pillar of Orthodoxy		</title>
		<link>https://orthodoxandgay.com/we-have-no-right-to-humble-and-victimize-the-image-of-god#comment-76247</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pillar of Orthodoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Let us ask ourselves if we need to consider homosexuals scapegoats who deserve to suffer persecution. And if we don’t want to establish that these people must be protected, it means that we want to be punish and imprison them.”

This statement commits the fallacy of bifurcation, and, ultimately, is false. We are to hate the sin, not the sinner, and to see our own faults and not to judge our brother, yet neither are we to encourage him in sin. While I know that I suffer from the sin of pride far more than the many men who suffer from the sin of sodomy, sodomy is yet a sin, and I am not called to encourage and promote this sin. Moreover, to accept the teaching of St Paul and the Church Fathers and believe that GLBT is ok is impossible and denies the PNC.

The first step towards repentance is to know that you sin. Know that being GLBT is sinful and repent, and whatever actions you have committed in the past will be forgiven and forgotten. Would that I could hope for such blessedness.

We come to the church to learn and to be healed, not to change it to conform to our own sinful values. Let us keep that in mind. There is no reform in church teaching: only church practice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Let us ask ourselves if we need to consider homosexuals scapegoats who deserve to suffer persecution. And if we don’t want to establish that these people must be protected, it means that we want to be punish and imprison them.”</p>
<p>This statement commits the fallacy of bifurcation, and, ultimately, is false. We are to hate the sin, not the sinner, and to see our own faults and not to judge our brother, yet neither are we to encourage him in sin. While I know that I suffer from the sin of pride far more than the many men who suffer from the sin of sodomy, sodomy is yet a sin, and I am not called to encourage and promote this sin. Moreover, to accept the teaching of St Paul and the Church Fathers and believe that GLBT is ok is impossible and denies the PNC.</p>
<p>The first step towards repentance is to know that you sin. Know that being GLBT is sinful and repent, and whatever actions you have committed in the past will be forgiven and forgotten. Would that I could hope for such blessedness.</p>
<p>We come to the church to learn and to be healed, not to change it to conform to our own sinful values. Let us keep that in mind. There is no reform in church teaching: only church practice.</p>
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		By: andre		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 15:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/we-have-no-right-to-humble-and-victimize-the-image-of-god#comment-57526&quot;&gt;Joseph&lt;/a&gt;.

Joseph,
Thank you brother for your comment. While I understand your skepticism about some clergy, I believe that it is important to have hope and pray for them. The Church has changed its view and approach to numerous issues over the centuries, and its view and treatment of LGBT persons, created in the image of God and given the ability to love, can also change. It is up to us to pray and love and live our life with honesty and in grace. 
I bid you peace,
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/we-have-no-right-to-humble-and-victimize-the-image-of-god#comment-57526">Joseph</a>.</p>
<p>Joseph,<br />
Thank you brother for your comment. While I understand your skepticism about some clergy, I believe that it is important to have hope and pray for them. The Church has changed its view and approach to numerous issues over the centuries, and its view and treatment of LGBT persons, created in the image of God and given the ability to love, can also change. It is up to us to pray and love and live our life with honesty and in grace.<br />
I bid you peace,<br />
Andriy</p>
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		By: Joseph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2016 03:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am Your Melkite Greek Catholic brother.  I have always had a great love for Orthodoxy.  But my church, too, has a very long way to go to learn acceptance and tolerance.  At my age (77) I just tend to ignore any anti-gay rhetoric, and if I am disliked or hated for who I am, it is that persons loss not mine. My faith is in God and not usually in men, especially clergymen.  Too many hypocrites wear collars, robes and crowns.  Ultimately and in the end God will have the last word, and maybe even the last laugh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Your Melkite Greek Catholic brother.  I have always had a great love for Orthodoxy.  But my church, too, has a very long way to go to learn acceptance and tolerance.  At my age (77) I just tend to ignore any anti-gay rhetoric, and if I am disliked or hated for who I am, it is that persons loss not mine. My faith is in God and not usually in men, especially clergymen.  Too many hypocrites wear collars, robes and crowns.  Ultimately and in the end God will have the last word, and maybe even the last laugh.</p>
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		By: Maria		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2015 05:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks be to God! What wonderful news :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks be to God! What wonderful news 🙂</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wonderful news! I hope Metropolitans JOHN and IGNATIUS will continue to bravely speak up amid the unpleasantness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful news! I hope Metropolitans JOHN and IGNATIUS will continue to bravely speak up amid the unpleasantness.</p>
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		By: Elena		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2015 18:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tis is good news!  I have been considering telling my priest during confession that I&#039;m not only gay but, also married to another woman.  Do you think I&#039;d be thrown out of the Church?  Or maybe, I&#039;d be accepted for who and what I am.  That would be a dream come true.  Lord have mercy on us sinners.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tis is good news!  I have been considering telling my priest during confession that I&#8217;m not only gay but, also married to another woman.  Do you think I&#8217;d be thrown out of the Church?  Or maybe, I&#8217;d be accepted for who and what I am.  That would be a dream come true.  Lord have mercy on us sinners.</p>
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		By: Nicholas Zymaris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicholas Zymaris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2015 17:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Doxa to Theo .. Glory and thanks to God. :)]]></description>
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