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		By: andre		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/what-shall-virtue-do-to-meet-brute-force#comment-33170&quot;&gt;george Plagianos&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you very much for your kind words and support. They are truly appreciated. Your historical reference is quite interesting and I did not know this - although I am not surprised that Archbishop Iakovos did not reach out to AIDS patients. Although having said that, I do know numerous Orthodox priests who did minister to people with HIV and AIDS including participation in ecumenical worship services - I was one of them in Boston. While certainly not directly supporting gay people, these brave priests did minister who those who needed their services, many of whom were gay. 
Concerning the gathering in New York - wow - do you think that this is progress?  I hope so. If done respectfully, and some priests will have to set the tone, it could be very good.  I would not presume to give advice as to the particular New York needs or support or resources. 
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/what-shall-virtue-do-to-meet-brute-force#comment-33170">george Plagianos</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for your kind words and support. They are truly appreciated. Your historical reference is quite interesting and I did not know this &#8211; although I am not surprised that Archbishop Iakovos did not reach out to AIDS patients. Although having said that, I do know numerous Orthodox priests who did minister to people with HIV and AIDS including participation in ecumenical worship services &#8211; I was one of them in Boston. While certainly not directly supporting gay people, these brave priests did minister who those who needed their services, many of whom were gay.<br />
Concerning the gathering in New York &#8211; wow &#8211; do you think that this is progress?  I hope so. If done respectfully, and some priests will have to set the tone, it could be very good.  I would not presume to give advice as to the particular New York needs or support or resources.<br />
Andriy</p>
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		By: andre		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://orthodoxandgay.com/what-shall-virtue-do-to-meet-brute-force#comment-33167&quot;&gt;Rachel&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for comment, I truly appreciate your words.  In my opinion it is fear - fear of the government, (in the case of Russia) fear of reprisal by other bishops or powerful laymen, or perhaps for the worse reason - they themselves are hiding something and do not want to &quot;push the envelope&quot;. 
Andriy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://orthodoxandgay.com/what-shall-virtue-do-to-meet-brute-force#comment-33167">Rachel</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for comment, I truly appreciate your words.  In my opinion it is fear &#8211; fear of the government, (in the case of Russia) fear of reprisal by other bishops or powerful laymen, or perhaps for the worse reason &#8211; they themselves are hiding something and do not want to &#8220;push the envelope&#8221;.<br />
Andriy</p>
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		By: george Plagianos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you very much for writting and posting this.  It is very will written. Were archbishop Iakovos would standup for civil rights of all races but that does not include us folks. Sadily. I remember reading an interveiw with him in the New York Daily News color Sunday section say back around 1970. I saved the interveiw somewhere. It was in the hight ocf the hippie and other alternative experenances. Towards the middle when asked about distructive behaviors the archbishop said something that people would go as far as trying homosexuaitly. That still strikes me. He&#039;s never outreached yo us in Axios not even during the ongoing Aids crisis. God many of us could really usesomething suppotrtive back then . They all knew about Axios then we would go yo the clergy /laity conferences and do some outreach in the 80 &#039;s til 2004 not eveny one only those in nyc and in philly. Btw: thi October at the ny greek catheral they are have a conference on relationships and the dean there wants yo include gay relstionships by invitîng Axios .its open yo all of us here. I want many yo come especily the gay russian group hre in ny. And should were invite various orthodox? clergy ???? Let me know for more info call me at axios at 212 -989-6211 thanks george plagianos]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for writting and posting this.  It is very will written. Were archbishop Iakovos would standup for civil rights of all races but that does not include us folks. Sadily. I remember reading an interveiw with him in the New York Daily News color Sunday section say back around 1970. I saved the interveiw somewhere. It was in the hight ocf the hippie and other alternative experenances. Towards the middle when asked about distructive behaviors the archbishop said something that people would go as far as trying homosexuaitly. That still strikes me. He&#8217;s never outreached yo us in Axios not even during the ongoing Aids crisis. God many of us could really usesomething suppotrtive back then . They all knew about Axios then we would go yo the clergy /laity conferences and do some outreach in the 80 &#8216;s til 2004 not eveny one only those in nyc and in philly. Btw: thi October at the ny greek catheral they are have a conference on relationships and the dean there wants yo include gay relstionships by invitîng Axios .its open yo all of us here. I want many yo come especily the gay russian group hre in ny. And should were invite various orthodox? clergy ???? Let me know for more info call me at axios at 212 -989-6211 thanks george plagianos</p>
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		By: Rachel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2013 05:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I sometimes wonder the same thing myself: How can there not be even one who will stand up and say this is an injustice? 
Do they all agree? Or are they afraid? 
The more pessimistic side of me thinks they simply all agree, but surely that can not be so... If it is, God help us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes wonder the same thing myself: How can there not be even one who will stand up and say this is an injustice?<br />
Do they all agree? Or are they afraid?<br />
The more pessimistic side of me thinks they simply all agree, but surely that can not be so&#8230; If it is, God help us.</p>
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